Friday, August 24, 2012

What a mess!

If Lance Armstrong is stripped of all of his Tour de France wins, what then? I agree with Gilbert Duclos-Lassalle, who rode the Tour in the seventies, eighties and nineties - too late, leave well alone.
"Ça arrive trop tard. Pour moi, c'est fini, c'est oublié. Je ne dis pas qu'il ne s'est pas dopé, je ne dis pas qu'il s'est dopé, je dis simplement qu'on le déclasse trop tard".
When the Irish government recognised clan chiefs (honorary status, no precedence or privilege), there were a couple of chiefs whose titles might be open to challenge from some long-lost kinsman. Their recognition was granted "with reservation". It might be better to retain Lance A's honours, but "with reservation". Otherwise, I repeat, what a mess.
As the author of this article points out, if Armstrong is stripped of the yellow jersey for the year 2000, then one must go back to the eighth-placed rider to find a competitor who hasn't been embroiled in one or another doping scandal - e.g., Puerto, Festina.
Jan Ullrich was second to Armstrong in 2000, 2001, and 2003, but he was later banned for life (after retirement) as a result of his involvement in such affairs.

Though one (i.e., I) must feel sympathy for a man who appears to be drawing fire that should be directed at a whole team, including its medical staff and management, it seems that Armstrong did little to make friends among his peers, or earn their support in his hour of need -
"Il a eu beaucoup de succès, beaucoup de talent et aussi une façon de pratiquer son sport qui n'a pas plu à tout le monde." (Laurent Jalabert)

Addendum, 25.8.12
It looks like the International body, UCI, is claiming that USADA has overstepped the mark on this, so the matter is not settled. Article here.

6 comments:

Chris Hall said...

I thought you might be commenting on this Jemmy!

Tis absolute madness to try and turn the clock back so many years. I can only assume someone is pursuing a vendetta for whatever reason.

Once the baton has been passed on after a year then everyone should just move on.

vza said...

I really do not understand any of this. It is my understanding that Armstrong has never failed a single test. Are they claiming the tests given at the time could not detect the drugs Armstrong allegedly used?

Jemmy Hope said...

As you write, Chris, after so many years. Someone has asked if the prize money should be returned, it's a real can of worms.

Jemmy Hope said...

You're right, vza, he always tested clear when racing. The USADA claims to have suspect test samples. I believe that test samples ARE kept for years and sometimes tested using improved methods. I don't know if this is the case here.
Otherwise I was under the impression that the case against Lance A. was based on the testimony of former team-mates in trouble with the USADA; plea bargain may be the term. I'm no fan but I think the man is getting some shabby treatment here. And I'm sure that the European, perhaps the world, governing bodies would have preferred to let sleeping dogs lie.

vza said...

Either the drug tests mean something or they do not. How can the results of all of those tests be wiped away by the testimony of teammates in trouble?
I think the USADA needs to be investigated.
Here's what a judge had to say about USADA:

"In his decision last week, U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks declined to intervene in USADA’s case against Armstrong because to do so would “turn federal judges into referees for a game in which they have no place, and about which they know little.” But in the next breath Sparks expressed an opinion on certain matters he does know about. “The deficiency of USADA’s charging document is of serious constitutional concern,” he wrote. “Indeed, but for two facts, the court might be inclined to find USADA’s charging letter was a violation of due process and to enjoin USADA from proceeding thereunder.” Among other things, he was disturbed by USADA’s “apparent single-minded determination” to go after Armstrong and force him before CAS."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/othersports/lance-armstrong-doping-campaign-exposes-usadas-hypocrisy/2012/08/24/858a13ca-ee22-11e1-afd6-f55f84bc0c41_story_1.html

Jemmy Hope said...

Interesting comment by the judge, which apppears to chime with Chris's suggestion of a vendetta. There does seem to be more to USADA's pursuit of Armstrong than routine monitoring.
I've always assumed that blood samples taken from Tour de France riders would be tested in one lab, which would then issue results to organisations involved. I can't see them sharing those samples (which are supposed to be kept securely to prevent tampering) with other organisations.